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A man died this weekend.

He was one of more than fifty siblings, and fathered at least twenty-three children.

In the 1980's, he helped the U.S. by fighting in the U.S.-funded insurgency against Soviet troops in Afghanistan.

He was later nearly killed by the U.S.

In the 1990's, his family disowned him.

He has had a very difficult life.

And today, people celebrate his death.

I'm certainly not saying that I support Osama bin Laden, or that I condone any of his actions. He is, after all, the man responsible for approving the action that shattered my childhood, and brought the City that is my lifeblood to a standstill of shock and pain. The world is undoubtably a safer place without him in it. And, even though I would rather he weren't killed by the U.S., and thus, made somewhat of a martyr, I also know that there is no way we ever could have reached any kind of peace with him, and that some form of what happened was our only choice. I am well aware that this was our only option.

But a man died this weekend. And, no matter who he is, that is nothing to celebrate.

Hatred only begets more hatred. Violence begets violence.

There is no end result we could reach for. We can't try to find peace "in the end", because there never will be an end. But violence is never an acceptable means. And perpertrating that violence is not something to find laudable. It is something to be lamented.

I suppose what this all comes down to is... I'm not sorry that Osama bin Laden is dead. But I'm sorry that we killed him. And I refuse to celebrate his death.

Date: 2011-05-02 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I find it particularly sickening that they're showing a photo of his corpse in the news.

I do not condone his actions either, of course, but people seem to be forgetting he was a human being too, no matter what he did to the US.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yes, exactly. I mean, I understand why the news groups need to show a picture of his corpse- people won't believe them otherwise. But... then I also saw video of the route the soldiers took into his hideout on the news and it was still kind of bloody, and they keep showing the picture and... yeah. I'm not pleased with how... crass they are being about it.

Date: 2011-05-02 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I am so happy. So happy to see an American say this. Not because they are suspicious of "what's next to come" but because of the inherent wrong that is killing a fellow human being. It's even worse to celebrate it.

I am so proud of you. I am so proud of knowing you. I am so proud of being able to say we're buddies.

People like you are the kind that can actually make this world a better place.

Thank you so much for this.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh, honey. Thank you. That is what I always hope to do- to make people hope and believe in something. Anything. If I've managed to do that, then I am a very happy person... so it means a lot that it meant a lot to you.

Date: 2011-05-02 09:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Death doesn't always have to be sad

Date: 2011-05-03 05:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
No, it doesn't always have to be sad. But it should never be happy.

Date: 2011-05-02 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
So have your views changed on the death penalty?

Date: 2011-05-03 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
No. I'm not sorry that he's dead. He was one of a few people in the world who really did deserve to die. Like I said, in an ideal world, it would have been after a capture and a fair trial, but I'm not upset that he's dead in the slightest. It's just not something we should be celebrating. It's never a good thing when someone dies; it's just a less bad thing.

Date: 2011-05-02 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yes, THIS.

If we saw them celebrating the death of one of our leaders by dancing in the streets, we would call them barbarians. Bad man or not, this is a human life on which we are spitting and dancing and cheering. It's really... awful.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yup, pretty much. I'm not sorry that he's gone... but to celebrate it is crass, and... very much not the point.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I agree. And then to watch Jon Stewart and Colbert throw parties that he's gone... well, that was a lot uncomfortable for me. Especially Stewart, since he's usually level headed.

Date: 2011-05-07 06:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah, I mean that was... surprising. I didn't think that they'd go that route with it.

Date: 2011-05-07 06:13 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-05-02 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I have to disagree with you. Extremeists paraded in the streets on 9/11 happy about the deaths of THOUSANDS OF INNOCENTS.

Here people are celebrating the death of one man who masterminded the deaths of Thousands.

Also to your freind who meantioned finding it sickening they showed the corpse on T.V. People have grown so skeptical of the goverment that they wouldn't belive it otherwise.

Date: 2011-05-03 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
They celebrated when our people died. So we should sink to that level?

And I understand the need to show the picture of his corpse on TV. That doesn't mean I have to like it. It saddens me that people have gotten so deep into this age of skepticism that we have to show his body on TV for anyone to believe that he really is dead.


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